"Apathy is a spiritual numbness that creeps in and corrupts the good that God intends for our life and the good that He wants us to accomplish for Him and His kingdom."—Elizabeth George
Personally, it was over 12 years ago when I left the "woke/apostate" churches. My church had started giving our small group Bible studies things from Rick Warren, Rob Bell and all those types. I knew immediately that these were bad. Our group decided one night that we would NOT do these "studies" and we went straight back to the scriptures on our own. When the elders found out that was what we were doing, our group leader and a few others were called to an elder meeting where they were shamed and told they were undermining the leadership.....and more! Upon the report of our fellow brothers, we in our group of 15 decided to separate from our church. Long story from then on, but we all knew that we had done the right things as we heard through others that the church had lost over 200 after we left. Then we found out that due to the lack of attendance of the biggest tithers that they could not pay the mortgage etc and had moved to a school meeting room. about six months after that, what was left completely disbanded. I am forever grateful for the mature followers of our Lord in that small group as they knew what had to happen and if I had never been a part of that group, I would not have matured in my walk, never learned about the prophecies, and would have never realized just how important it is to be close to our Lord both in actions and prayer and praise. I moved from that state shortly after the breakup, but I took with me the precious things I had learned from our group and have yet to find a church that I would be comfortable going to. The internet has been good in that I have come to know various warriors for Christ, the ones that stick to scriptures only and do not do the buy the canned bookstore books and workbooks that are so plentiful out there. I mostly listen to the old school Calvary Chapel teachers and find that is the way for me. Of course now there are those like yourself Pablo that have excellent channels....and I do learn and feel "family" vibes from you all. The time is short and each day it seems the time of our redemption is any minute and I do keep that joy and assurance in my thinking so as to not be pulled into despair and fear. Keep doing what you do, as I am sure many who follow your channel share with others.
I think you hit the nail in the head when you mentioned pastors and church leaders spending their focus and time on building their own kingdoms rather than the Kingdom if God.
As for the apathy vs revival thing, my thought is this...especially in these end times. Revival is not going to stem from church programs or church events or even in the church congregations. Rather it will come about in the population of our communities that are starting to realise everything the world has to offer is shallow, meaningless and built in lies. Because of the rot in the church, God is going to harshly trim the vine...leaving only that which produces fruit for the Kingdom.
Great program! Every word right on the money! The church lacks many deficiencies in this day and we need to get back to the basics…..THE WORD OF GOD!
That is where the problems begin. Pastors do not read scriptures and congregates don’t either and are not encouraged to. If we read the Word, we would know what is expected and what we need to do to keep us alive in Christ!
This was awesome.
Thank you Brother Pablo and Roger!
Which Vance Havner book did you read from please?
Thanks again!
Personally, it was over 12 years ago when I left the "woke/apostate" churches. My church had started giving our small group Bible studies things from Rick Warren, Rob Bell and all those types. I knew immediately that these were bad. Our group decided one night that we would NOT do these "studies" and we went straight back to the scriptures on our own. When the elders found out that was what we were doing, our group leader and a few others were called to an elder meeting where they were shamed and told they were undermining the leadership.....and more! Upon the report of our fellow brothers, we in our group of 15 decided to separate from our church. Long story from then on, but we all knew that we had done the right things as we heard through others that the church had lost over 200 after we left. Then we found out that due to the lack of attendance of the biggest tithers that they could not pay the mortgage etc and had moved to a school meeting room. about six months after that, what was left completely disbanded. I am forever grateful for the mature followers of our Lord in that small group as they knew what had to happen and if I had never been a part of that group, I would not have matured in my walk, never learned about the prophecies, and would have never realized just how important it is to be close to our Lord both in actions and prayer and praise. I moved from that state shortly after the breakup, but I took with me the precious things I had learned from our group and have yet to find a church that I would be comfortable going to. The internet has been good in that I have come to know various warriors for Christ, the ones that stick to scriptures only and do not do the buy the canned bookstore books and workbooks that are so plentiful out there. I mostly listen to the old school Calvary Chapel teachers and find that is the way for me. Of course now there are those like yourself Pablo that have excellent channels....and I do learn and feel "family" vibes from you all. The time is short and each day it seems the time of our redemption is any minute and I do keep that joy and assurance in my thinking so as to not be pulled into despair and fear. Keep doing what you do, as I am sure many who follow your channel share with others.
I think you hit the nail in the head when you mentioned pastors and church leaders spending their focus and time on building their own kingdoms rather than the Kingdom if God.
As for the apathy vs revival thing, my thought is this...especially in these end times. Revival is not going to stem from church programs or church events or even in the church congregations. Rather it will come about in the population of our communities that are starting to realise everything the world has to offer is shallow, meaningless and built in lies. Because of the rot in the church, God is going to harshly trim the vine...leaving only that which produces fruit for the Kingdom.
Keep up the great work mate!!!! 👍
well said!
Great program! Every word right on the money! The church lacks many deficiencies in this day and we need to get back to the basics…..THE WORD OF GOD!
That is where the problems begin. Pastors do not read scriptures and congregates don’t either and are not encouraged to. If we read the Word, we would know what is expected and what we need to do to keep us alive in Christ!
Blessings to you both for your insights!
Maranatha🙏🏻🎺🕊️
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